Conversation: Marlo Schalesky
Yearning to be Mom
For nearly two decades Marlo and Bryan Schalesky dealt with
the disappointments and frustrations of infertility. Her nonfiction book Empty
Womb, Aching Heart explores four specific areas of struggle and offers words of
hope. Her latest release, If Tomorrow Never Comes, tells the story of the
effects of infertility on a marriage. Now a mother, Schalesky recently spoke
with Assistant Editor Jennifer McClure about the parallels between motherhood
and spiritual motherhood, as well as the pain of infertility and what friends
and family should and shouldn’t do.
tpe: What does spiritual motherhood look like to you?
SCHALESKY: I’ve seen God bring people whose relationships
with their own mothers are broken into the lives of those who have a mothering
heart but are unable to have children. It’s a beautiful thing.
tpe: What are the responsibilities of a spiritual mom?
SCHALESKY: Just like a mother helps a small child learn to
read and write, a spiritual mother helps others understand Scripture and grow
in their trust and relationship with God. Part of that is to offer them the
wisdom and advice that come from Scripture and help them make wise decisions.
Just like mothers model behavior for little children, when you’re a spiritual
mother, you model how to trust God and how to live in Christ instead of living
by the world’s values.
It also includes nurturing in a way that people see God more
clearly in the hard times of life. When my little children get hurt, it’s my
job as a mother to comfort them and to help them heal. When people get hurt,
it’s the job of a spiritual mom to help them heal in a way that helps them see
God in new ways — not blame Him or become bitter, but to help them
understand that God can use even the hurt in our lives to grow us.
tpe: Today is the day you used to dread — Mother’s
SCHALESKY: Even now I’m not super fond of Mother’s Day
because I’m reminded of all those times when it was a hard, hard day. I would
have to go to church because my husband was the worship leader. I sat in the
very back. They always brought the mothers up front and gave them carnations,
and I was stuck in the pews with the kids and the fathers.
But one Mother’s Day changed me forever. They played the
song, “My Jesus I Love Thee,” and when they sang the line, “If ever I love
thee, my Jesus ’tis now,” God spoke to me through that. He said, Can you still
love Me on this day even though you have no children after trying for years?
Can you say that you love Me in these circumstances?
And it broke my heart. I just cried and said, Yes, Lord,
even today, even now. After that, Mother’s Day became something different for
me. It became a day to proclaim my love for God even in the midst of my pain.
tpe: What would you say to readers for whom this day is not
a happy one due to infertility?
SCHALESKY: Make it about something else. Make it about the
day that you tell God you still love Him. I found telling God that I loved Him
even then and spending the day doing some reading, singing praise songs —
that helped me the most.
tpe: What about the people who know someone who hasn’t been
able to have a child — what should they do or say?
SCHALESKY: The best thing to do is simply say, “I know it’s
hard. I’m praying for you. I’m here for you.” If they’re going through
treatments, it’s best to ask them how they’re doing — “How are you
holding up through all of that?” — not “How are the treatments going? Is
Also, be very sensitive when inviting people to events like
baby showers or dedications or to help in the nursery. Invite the person, but
don’t push them.
Don’t ever say anything that starts with “at least,” such
as, “At least there’s still time left.” “At least you have a good marriage.”
Anything that starts with “at least” essentially tells the person that they
shouldn’t feel bad. Infertility is a hard thing. It’s OK for a person to hurt
through it. God can work through that pain. So don’t lessen it by saying “at
And don’t give advice unless it’s asked for.
Here I am with all the “don’ts”! But I give these warnings
because in my experience people say the most awful things.
tpe: What advice do you give married couples who are
SCHALESKY: A marriage can really take a hit when you go
through infertility. It’s easy to become so focused on the child you don’t have
that you don’t focus on the spouse you do have. You’ve got to protect the
marriage by focusing on your spouse and on loving him or her in all the ups and
downs of the journey.
tpe: In your book Empty Womb, Aching Heart you address the
struggles of the heart, mind, body and spirit. Was one area of struggle harder
for you to overcome than the others?
SCHALESKY: For me the spiritual struggle was the most
difficult because I know who the Author of life is and who can give children.
Several times it hurt so much it seemed like God was cruel and couldn’t
possibly love me. Yet it was through those dark times when He was still with me
— even when I was mad at Him and asking hard questions and accusing Him
of being unloving — that I was able to see He still loved me, He died for
me, and He sticks with me through my pain.
I found it’s OK when we bring all of our doubts,
frustrations and even accusations to God. As long as we turn toward Him, that’s
all good. God can take that. He has big shoulders. It’s when we turn away and
don’t ask the hard questions that the bitterness can settle in our souls and
become like a poison.
So, even though I found the spiritual struggle the most
difficult, I found the most riches there, too.
tpe: What were some of those riches?
SCHALESKY: For me, I began to see faith wasn’t about
believing God for a child, but it was about trusting God enough to follow Him
down the path He had for my life, even when that path wasn’t what I wanted. It
was about trusting His love and believing His goodness even on the infertility
Also, I discovered that faith doesn’t get you a child, but
faith makes you a child of God. And that’s what really matters — the
journey and trusting God through it.
tpe: Do you believe you have a deeper appreciation for your
children than you would have if children had come easily for you?
SCHALESKY: All those years and years of infertility have
taught me what a wondrous and incredible gift my children are. Knowing how many
things have to fall perfectly in place for a child to be conceived, grow and be
born healthy makes me realize what a true miracle they are.
Don’t get me wrong though — there are times when the
chaos, the yelling, the naughtiness, the crazies get so bad that I wonder what
I was thinking wanting to be a mom. But those times pass. And knowing how hard
it was to become a mother makes me determined not to miss any of the “good
stuff” — the teaching, the fun times, the school and church events, the
moments together that make up their childhood. I have a lot of commitments and
a lot to do, but remembering the struggle to have my kids reminds me to not let
those commitments get in the way of the things that are really important, like
being a good mom to my kids.
tpe: Has motherhood lived up to your expectations? Do the
joys outweigh the sacrifices?
SCHALESKY: My mother-in-law says that mothering is the hardest
job you’ll ever love. And she’s right! The chaos of the days, the struggles
with discipline, the questions, the challenges, the temper tantrums, and yes,
even the laundry, are much harder than I anticipated. But the wonder of seeing
my children grow and mature, discover new things, and learn to love one another
and love God far outweighs the sacrifices.
tpe: In what ways do your children bless your life, your
SCHALESKY: My children are such a beautiful reminder of
God’s goodness and grace. I find as they discover God, I rediscover Him along
with them. When their eyes are opened to who He is, what He’s done and His love
for them, I see God in new and deeper ways, too. So, they’ve added a deeper
level of insight into the wonder of our loving God. I love seeing Him anew
through their eyes!
TPExtra: Read a chapter from Marlo Schalesky’s
recently released novel, If Tomorrow Never Comes (Multnomah Books, March 2009).
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